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About 20 different people have sent this link to me, so I guess I should react even though it’s a bit late.
I just arrived from a really great trip Hong Kong. It was truly pleasant, mostly because we traveled Cathay business class and stayed at the Four Seasons. Save for one grumpy Chinese waiter at Isola IFC, there were no unpleasant events.
We came without a plan or agenda. Meals were planned on the day itself. While my husband and my father-in-law bonded over high tea, coffees, wines and walking around, I met up with a couple of friends and shopped till I dropped.
While I totally agree with what Geoffrey James Quartermaine Bastin wrote, staying at a cheap hotel is truly getting what you pay for.
Unfortunately in the Philippines, not even the best hotels are good enough. I stayed in one of Makati’s five-star hotels last year and was surprised that the bathrooms were so worn out.

Hermes toiletries
They had Hermés toiletries but really old marble, as you can see in the background—yikes!

I also had a tour of a five-star hotel nearer my home and the bathrooms did not pass my standards either.
A few years ago, I checked in my family at the Discovery Suites in Ortigas Center so that Jeroen could watch the World Cup in the wee hours of the morning (this was when home cable TV wasn’t high-tech yet).
While the bedrooms were pretty OK, I have to say the bathroom really grossed me out, with its archaic aluminum sliding doors.

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I really wonder how Philippine hotels manage to keep their bedrooms pretty and not think the bathrooms are just as important. I was so grossed out, I couldn’t wait to check out.
Not too long ago I also did a tour of all the rooms of Discovery Country Suites in Tagaytay. Though some of the rooms look cozy and habitable, the bathrooms were once again really gross.

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I guess a common mistake of hotel owners here is they hire residential designers to design their hotels, when in fact there is a certain art to designing hotel bathrooms. As paying guests, we don’t really want to stay in a hotel with bathroom that has the feel of nakikitira in someone’s house.
I experienced the same problem in the almost cool Inn at the Cliffhouse in Tagaytay, which has the most beautiful bedrooms, but yucky bathrooms and lacking in cleanliness and upkeep.

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Let Geoffrey James Quartermaine Bastin’s writeup be a wakeup call that Filipinos really need to learn how to reinvest, repaint, renovate and upgrade their businesses. This includes restaurants, stores, malls, hotels and especially, that stupid airport.
Let’s not even compare our country to our neighbors—Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore—because we are nowhere close to them. We are the miserable poor neighbor with that ironically unparalleled nationalistic pride, beautiful sunshine, beautiful beaches and natural wonders with rarely the beautiful accommodation.

We have a new Secretary of Tourism. If you want tourism to really work for the country, here’s what you have to do.
1) Fix the airports, the interiors, the washrooms, the workers, the beggars outside, the rickety carts, the lack of things to do, the bad food choices, the ugly stores and the useless souvenir shops. Don’t forget the washrooms.
2) Force all public establishments and malls to upgrade their restrooms with new fixtures, toilet paper, air and odor management, ventilation, and other necessities. Malls should require dodgy tenants to renovate or move out.
3) Fix the traffic problem. Have a unified government bus company. Fix all public transport. So much time is wasted on commuting. I personally dread going to countries with bad traffic.
4) Make sure all taxis are safe and friendly. Kick out the grumpy, corrupt taxi drivers.
5) Get the beggars out of NAIA and the streets that are bugging tourists. Close down corrupt money changers.
Okay, so that’s five things. There’s a lot of work to be done, but no new slogan, ad campaign, or travel expo is gonna help if the tourists come here and experience crap. Every businessman knows repeat customers make a successful business. The plan is to make tourists wanna come back here and not dying to get out.
Also, luxury, cleanliness, efficiency, attract moneyed tourists. Check out the tourists in Hong Kong and Singapore and compare to what we have here. What kind would you rather have?

Here’s the complete text of Geoffrey James Quartermaine Bastin’s blog entry:

I honestly do really HATE to write negative posts. If you check through this blog you’ll see that even the posts on Afghanistan have a few positive things to say…….

But my GOODNESS the Philippines!!! Or more precisely Manila, because you cannot and should not generalize about such a large country spread over thousands of islands. Manila – what a dump!

The city has got to be the disgrace of South-east Asia, all the more so because twenty years ago when I used to come through here en route to Papua New Guinea it was THE place in the region to come to for shopping and R&R. How the mighty are fallen!

Let’s start with the international airport. Ninoy Aquino International is exactly the same as it was all that time ago; the same awful green lino when you arrive, the same over-crowded Departure Hall, nowhere to sit if your check-in desk isn’t open. Once through security you find the same down-market shops, toilets that don’t work or are “under repair” and very few F&B places.

I pay the extra $15 to go up to the Sampaguita Lounge just to get out of the crush of people. No, despite the fact that I’m an inveterate traveler I DO NOT LIKE crowds of people! The travelling public en masse is a necessary obstacle that has to be endured and overcome.

The coffee in this over-priced lounge is awful…. Over-boiled and they don’t have a modern machines (which these days can be purchased even for home use) to produce fresh coffee from beans. NO ONE uses this old filter method anymore, at least no one that likes good coffee. Where is George Clooney!!???

As for the hotel downtown: I have stayed at the Discovery Suites in Ortigas Center for the last 15+ years ever since it opened. It used to be very good and remains convenient for my business meetings. But the owners have invested nothing in upkeep and I stay in a room that has the same furniture, same carpet as it has always had; it smells musty. The TV is years old. The water heating system provides limited hot water for my bath. My room is not cleaned until I have to go and ask. The internet (OK, free wifi in the room) is dreadfully slow and the room service food lukewarm.

Frankly at $119/night the Discovery Suites is no longer the good deal that it once was and I shall change to another hotel if I have the misfortune of coming back here.

Manila itself is a shambles. The traffic is AWFUL (I seem to be using a lot of capital letters in this post) and nothing has been added to shops or other amenities (whereas e.g. Bangkok has transformed itself into an almost livable city).

Look: people will say the Filipino people are nice, and indeed they are polite – we Brits might say “smarmy” – obsequious or ingratiating are maybe less pleasant words. But they do try. That does take the edge off the sheer misery of a crumbling, filthy, depressing city and an economy that exists only on the remittances of the smart ones who have left.

Sorry folks. I know there are many people who love the Philippines, but its economic development has been a disaster; the irony is that Manila is the headquarters of the Asian Development Bank (the reason I come here) and it has the WORST growth history of any of the ASEAN countries – Cambodia which was torn apart by civil war up until 1997 has a first-class airport (fresh ham and cheese sandwiches on foccacia, freshly brewed cappuccino , clean lounges) and some great restaurant food and hotels (see my next post). But the Manila, where the intelligentsia sneer at their Asian brothers and sisters for their lack of English, is beaten hands down even by little Phnom Penh and left standing by every other mega-city in the region.

There seems to be a theme here: the Philippines has many natural advantages and in fact a talented people who provide services everywhere in the world. But there has been no re-investment in the country, neither by the public sector (hence the terrible airport facilities), nor by private industry. People might build a hotel, but they run it into the ground rather than trying to build a long-term institution. Philippines can be described as an extractive or exploitive economy, not one where people want to build sustainably long term. As I say, the smart one’s all want to leave.

My suggestion if you want to see the Philippines: get through Manila as quickly as you can, it has nothing to recommend it. Go out to the islands, Cebu, Mindanao, up to the cool of Bagio and see the people in the countryside and some of the spectacular scenery. That’s probably worth the trip. Otherwise pick almost anywhere else in Asia and you’ll get a better deal.

Final note: for those that wonder, I’m NOT backpacker and I’ve travelled so much that the novelty or “exciting local colour” of dirt, disease and bad food no longer fills me with wonderment; I stay in decent hotels and expect good service, anything less is patronizing the people in these emerging countries. For most of Asia I get it in spades – better value overall than travelling in North America or Europe – but not the Philippines.

For the Philippines the question is surely will it ever emerge from the mire into which it has sunk? Very frankly based on my very long experience of the place I really doubt it, in fact it is a “disappearing” country if there is such a thing.

Discovery Suites
25 ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center
Pasig City 1600
Philippines

P.S. No pictures because there’s nothing worth photographing in Manila, it’s drab and dirty.

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Amethyst Catherine

Had the same experience, almost all the hotels here in the Philippines have dilapidated bathrooms. I particularly hate the “peeling moss like substance” on the faucets and shower heads. Jesus! and the “dirt” at the corners of the lavatory and toilet bowls. And to think that they charge $100+++ for the 3 star above hotels. Super sad…

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Sylphide

The truth really does hurt. Reading this post and Mr Quartermaine’s grumpy rant makes me cringe at the sorry state of our facilities. Your observations are spot-on, and these really do highlight the need to improve our standards. Our airports are the gateways to Manila and the rest of the islands, and it’s an embarrassment to see them so old, so inconvenient to be in and transfer from. These are sadly the first and last things foreign travelers see of the country, and while repeat visitors may be won over by our smiles and hospitality, first timers and comfort tourists… Read more »

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Anonymous

now not only NAIA 1 is rated the world’s worst airport, but KLM is threatening to leave.  (sigh) 

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your favorite airport is on the news again, what’s new
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/naia-maintains-post-as-world-s-worst-airport.html

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:)

I agree with his comments but I dont get his mood—he’s soooo angry! 

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KG

So true. Nagkukwento lang naman yung mama ng actual experience nya. But i am sure there would be some enterprising politician who will waste the city’s time by filing a resolution declaring this man persona non grata.

Kapag foreigner ang nagbigay ng bad review, persona non grata. Kapag kapwa Pinoy na immigrant sa abroad at nagbabakasyon sa Manila, “taong di marunong lumingon sa pinanggalingan, akala mo kung sino.” Seriously! Can’t we take the painful truth for once and learn from it?

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Guest

*sigh* Sad but true huh?
Well, I ain’t really a “hotel-person” and I think my only hotel experiences were during big events such as my debut and my sister’s debut. Other than that, uhmm … none? Or yeah, at resorts. But I don’t consider them as “hotels” like this one in comparison.

Good thing we don’t really house our clients in there. Gosh. Kakahiya nga. >..<

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MiketotheB

SO true. Almost everyday traffic sa EDSA. We are really up in shambles. The truth hurts as always but it hurts more when our Philippine government is not doing it’s job. 

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I saw someone posted about this sa fan page mo. Thanks that you heard them. People should read it carefully especially the noypi people before commenting.

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Francheska Ku

How sad.. this guy’s perspective should be taken seriously by our lawmakers.  I feel ashamed that his observations are spot on.  

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zipppo

He missed Manila 20 years ago?  He should have seen Manila at its height 35-40 years ago!  Say what you want about Imelda Marcos but Manila was beautiful and clean when she was Metro Manila Governor!

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Anonymous

most of his detractors are saying “well maybe you haven’t seen bonifacio global city or greenbelt” and “maybe because you’re not staying at the peninsula or shangri-la manila”  like only the rich people in Manila have the right to beautiful and clean surroundings, and that malls are THE destination for tourists here… lol….

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Martin Cruz Reply:

I know! All the decent spots in Metro Manila are privately managed. Just across the boarder of Bonifacio Global City, you’re met with the sad state of Metro Manila in an instant.

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I know! All the decent spots in Metro Manila are privately managed. Just across the boarder of Bonifacio Global City, you’re met with the sad state of Metro Manila in an instant.

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Anonymous

my gulay… hindi lang ang airport… ever been to Baclaran area?
that place is a dump! kaso kapag sinita ko ang kapwa ko Pinoy na huwag magtapon sa tabi, masama ang tingin sa akin ehh…
wala naman nga kasing basurahan!

napaka-simpleng bagay! trash bin/can for trash… and yet the government can’t provide for one… but they can pay for street sweepers! doinks!!

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CVS Reply:

ninanakaw kasi pati trash can dito

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Elemersglue

Ha! The comments on his blog reminds me of this meme: http://www.pinoytumblr.com/post/11389381088

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Ang Pinoy masyadong pikon kapag napupuna. I wrote this on my FB status this morning:  “Bakit hinihingi pa ang “Mother’s Maiden Name” sa mga “applications”, etc. sa Pilipinas? Ganon bang ka-importante yun sa buhay ng isang Pinoy???” Naku,na-question na ang pagiging makabayan ko, dahil ba nasa California ako hindi na ako puede mamansin? I don’t and will never compare the Philippines & US, I criticize what I think is not right/good about the Phils., the same thing with US. So walang questionan ng pagiging makabayan pls! Huwag kang pikon Pinoy! Walang basagan ng trip! [Reply]Martin Cruz Reply:October 17th, 2011 at… Read more »

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I also don’t get the purpose of asking for the mother’s maiden name.

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Someone who used to work for a bank/credit card company said it’s to check your mother’s credit history. Here in the Philippines daw kasi mothers have lots of utang because they’re usually the ones who support their families so they get tons of credit cards to buy groceries, school supplies, clothes for their kids, etc. then they rotate and rotate the utang. Usually raw, if your mother was like that, you’d have the same tendency to charge purchases and not pay, or pay only the minimum, etc. This helps them determine daw what credit limit to give you or if… Read more »

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Doubt it. Ang utang in Juan ay utang ni Juan at hindi utang ni Pedro, nakasaad sa batas natin yan.

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Google has the answer! The mother’s maiden name is a standard security question of all banks except in the US. It’s one of several ways a bank can verify your identity. Because two people can have the same first and last names but they’re sure not to have the same mother. So I guess we shouldn’t be so angry at this if it’s standard everywhere in the world. Except in the US, where the economy is based on student loans, mortgages, car loans, credit cards, etc, and they give out loans to practically everybody (and look at the trouble they’re… Read more »

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lj1082

I’m sure it’s meant to be tongue in cheek but I kinda found it offensive when he said that the smart ones leave the Philippines. What about those who stay because they want to make a difference and change our living conditions? Are they to be called idiots? What about those who study abroad and come back? Is their idealism to be considered stupidity?  Apart from that, what he’s written is so true…especially about the traffic. Buses that swerve around like sedans terrify me! Oh, and old, musty bathrooms gross me out as well.

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joie

actually, he called the Filipino people “smarmy”, which, I can assure you is not very nice.  I agree with the rest of his rants.

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pagkatapos ko basahin to chuvaness di ako naooffend, nahiya ako  kasi totoo naman ung sinabi dyan and sana mabasa to nung mga nasa batas para makahanap ng solusyon yun lang. 

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I remember one time when I had the chance to ride an old crappy, no A/C taxi, I asked the driver bakit natitiis siya yon. He said he just wanted to avail the deal for a longer franchise if he switch his gas to LPG tank. Corruption pa din. Kahit kakaragkarag na yung taxi, go pa din.

And pag madumi ang washroom, chuvaness agad naiisip ko. Resorts World pa nga lang eh. Eew lang. Yung maglilinis, nagtetext lang sa gilid.

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While I agree with a lot of the things he said, I hate that he’s generalizing too much. While there are too many negative things about the Metro, there are some positives as well and for him to generalize that there’s nothing worth photographing is utter BS. And I have to say, SM knows how to reinvest their money in their malls. While services and restrooms are still crappy, at least they renovate. Our local SM (Southmall in Las Pinas) has undergone two renovations in the past 5 years [Reply]CVS Reply:October 16th, 2011 at 3:57 PMi think he mentioned some… Read more »

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But SM is notorious for not having any trash cans. You get out of the cinema and there’s nary a trash bin in site. I also hate that they don’t allocate space for greenery.

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Guest

True! They should at least put trash cans on every escalator landing. They don’t even put individual trash bins inside every toilet cubicle!

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Anonymous

I think in SM Southmall, the escalator landings are exactly where you’ll find trash bins — color-coded and properly labeled according to kind of trash.  I hope the upgraded Southmall will be able to sustain its new image and get the AB crowd to shop in the high end stores that opened.  However, the salespeople still need to be retrained and internalize the kind of service those in ATC readily give their customers.  We bought several Bench shirts here to give as pasalubongs to Vietnamese friends and I asked for individual plastic bags (they don’t have the gift bags yet).  The… Read more »

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Browneyedgirl

Marami nahurt sa article na ito but the fact is, it’s all true. Wait til he goes to places like Quiapo, Divisoria, Valenzuela, Tondo. Baka hindi lang “shambles” yung word na gamitin niya. But one thing I really agree with you on is the public transportation. It’s really the worst. The jeepney is cheap and accessible but it is so inconvenient to ride it. There are so many issues you have to contend with — the reckless drivers, jeeps who swerve anywhere just to get passengers, siksikan inside til the driver gets the maximum riders, potential pickpockets, plus it sucks… Read more »

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Gigi H

The truth is:  this goes beyond hotels, airports, tourism.  Look at most industries and Thailand wins hands down in terms of quality and value.  Local leather goods, casual dining resto, stainless steel, supermarket retail….the list is endless.   Heck, I’ve been to Bumrungrad both as inpatient and outpatient and it’s a thousand times better than St Luke’s. 

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Jon_gero

cause most hotels in ph renovate after ten years or so!there is only one hotel in manila that renovates after 4 years. All hotels should do that

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Guest

yes because the thinkers of this nation are lazy and the politics is a burden. the country is run by crooks and those who think they know better sneer instead of act. 

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Geoffrey James Quartermaine  then get the fuck outta here come back once we Pinoys get our acts together! tayo namang mga “bobo” na natira dito sa Pinas umayos tayo tanga ina pampasira ng linggo ito!

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OHMom

Finally, a foreigner has spoken! We need a million more of these posts for those in power to get the hint. It is not a good idea to promote tourism in the Philippines if the government is not investing wisely. A welcome smile can only go so far. Travelers these days are savvy and well-informed. 

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It hurts! It hurts you know! 🙂 But like the famous saying, the truth hurts. I agree with the observations and views of Geoffrey James Quartermaine Bastin. Definitely a wake-up call.

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BR

The funny thing is, these are exactly my sentiments. No one goes to Philippines to see the Philippines. Foreigners are usually travelling for business purposes. There’s really nothing to see here. When my friends come to Manila, I cannot show them anything but Malls, eiwwww… Phil government should also invest on infrastructures, and not the baduy ones… lol

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Acibig

Ok people,  the write- up is  accurate, THAT is a fact ,but please naman , use common sense, which sometimes is not very common, THE PHILIPPINES is a third  world country, stop comparing from HK, singapore,  pwde siguro compare with laos, nigeria,   DO YOU ever compare BMW/ mercedes  with Hyundai?????    Louis vuitton with Espree,  ano ba yan ???   My comment  lang naman is nagsayang lang ng brain cell ang author, alam na ng lahat yan , kumbaga you dont have to write the obvious

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and… Amen to that!

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Guest

Hurts, but it’s the truth. I’ve set foot on handful of countries and continents (except for Antartica & South America) my self and I’ve always done research on the Hotels I’ve stayed in. If he had done some researching, he would have stumbled upon Oakwood Joy Nostalg which is exactly in front of ADB  which costs around $180++ per night.  If he detests the philippines so much, then he should’ve just sent a proxy or  quit his job.  If he needs the salary…then SHUT IT……. [Reply]CVS Reply:October 16th, 2011 at 10:46 AMhe had been staying at that hotel fro 15… Read more »

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Ging

You have a point BUT I think you are missing point HIS point. He is just stating the fact that our country or should I say Manila was THE ( emphasize nya yan) place to be in Asia years ago and his observation that it never progressed from that. Napag-iwanan na tayo dahil nga sa wala pangangalagang ginagawa, walang long term planning/investment.

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I get the point. If he was so disgusted with Discovery, he should have just walked down the street and checked-in at Oakwood. But then again, Discovery is really getting run down. They could, at the very least, change those TVs to flatscreens! And my goodness, they’ve already milked the damn place for more than 15 years, I’m sure they have the money to improve their facilities! In my opinion, hotels should do renovations to their rooms every 5 years! Buti pa ang Victoria Court madalas mag renovate!

Oh well, that’s why they’re just a local hotel chain.

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Anonymous

shooting the messenger is such a deplorable trait.  sigh….

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emsyur marami na namang balat sibuyas na Pinoy ang “masasaktan” at magrereact na kala mo aping-api. [Reply]kix Reply:October 16th, 2011 at 3:06 AMtomo!  binasa ko yung blog nya and may isang nagcomment dun about false national pride, it being all about pacquaio, charice and the like.  super agree ako kasi ang babaw ng pinanggagalingan ng national pride ng mga pilipino.  parang just flash something new and shiny, nakalimutan na ang mga problema na dapat ayusin.  and let’s not even get started on our government.  minsan napapatingin ako sa paligid and naiisip ko na ito na lang ba ang bansa natin? … Read more »

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tomo!  binasa ko yung blog nya and may isang nagcomment dun about false national pride, it being all about pacquaio, charice and the like.  super agree ako kasi ang babaw ng pinanggagalingan ng national pride ng mga pilipino.  parang just flash something new and shiny, nakalimutan na ang mga problema na dapat ayusin.  and let’s not even get started on our government.  minsan napapatingin ako sa paligid and naiisip ko na ito na lang ba ang bansa natin?  kaya hinde ako maka-relate sa mga taong nagsasabing they’re proud to be pinoy, because i’m not. i havent’ been proud to be… Read more »

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Guest

Tamah!  Kaya hindi umayos ang Pinas e.  Instead of doing something about the problem we attack the guy who had the misfortune of experiencing our crap.  Why not just take note of what was said and actually DO something about it. 

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Tapos may magfa-file sa Congress ng bill declaring said person as “persona non grata”. Like  a friend on Twitter said, there might be an “enlightened” politician who just might do this. All for the sake of face.

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The taxi drivers… UGGGGGH! They even cheat and swindle the locals, I shudder to think what they do to tourists. The thought makes my blood boil. Finding a taxi driver who is honest, nice, who will give you ALL your change and keeps a clean taxi is like a little miracle in itself in this city. [Reply]Guest Reply:October 16th, 2011 at 2:17 AMMGE! 😀 [Reply]Kat Mascardo Reply:October 17th, 2011 at 5:44 AM“Finding a taxi driver who is honest, nice, who will give you ALL your change and keeps a clean taxi is like a little miracle in itself in this… Read more »

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MGE! 😀

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“Finding a taxi driver who is honest, nice, who will give you ALL your
change and keeps a clean taxi is like a little miracle in itself in this
city.” <– I'm proud to say that this is the  STANDARD in Davao City. 😉

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Also in Cebu…minsan mahihiya pa taxi driver sila mag susukli ng sobra kung wala silang 5 cents bibigyan ka ng 10 centavos

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Che

Not really! A few years ago while my husband and I we´re going to Mactan International Airport, the taxi driver charged as more than twice the amount(taxi fare)  kasi baka raw wala siyang makuhang pasajero pagbalik ng Cebu City. Pumayag na lang ako because we we´re in a hurry then but when we arrived at the airport marami palang pasajerong naghihintay dun. I think the reason why he overcharged us is because my husband was a foreigner. I was so ashamed because I was trying to impress my husband pa naman about Filipino intergrity.

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Yes, sa cebu sa sakto isusukli sayo. No questions asked, meter rates lang, walang kontrata.

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zooq

I don’t wish to generalize and would like to think that perhaps I was just unlucky, but I just got back from a trip to Davao, and while there took 4 taxi rides. Only 1 of them met the standard, and it was the one on the way to the airport to board the flight back to Manila; I was disillusioned with the rest.

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I heard once while walking out of Megamall, a taxi driver negotiating his “fare” bound to Manila Bay area for 500 pesos to two poor unsuspecting tourists. Tsk. Gusto ko sanang umepal, kung wala lang akong work.

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Ryanprunes

It’s Hermès.

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Somebody ought to send/e-mail a copy of that blog entry to our new Secretary of Tourism. I don’t think they ‘believe’ how bad the airport and the city really are. [Reply]Anonymous Reply:October 17th, 2011 at 12:42 PMthe DOT website does not even work… you can’t contact them through the site.  pathetic. [Reply]The_Sung_Empress Reply:October 17th, 2011 at 2:47 PMMost government websites don’t work. Just take a look at Philpost. It’s on WordPress and most of the categories there still have the default WordPress copy “This is where you put background information about you.” I never trust government offices that use Yahoo,… Read more »

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the DOT website does not even work… you can’t contact them through the site.  pathetic.

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Most government websites don’t work. Just take a look at Philpost. It’s on WordPress and most of the categories there still have the default WordPress copy “This is where you put background information about you.”

I never trust government offices that use Yahoo, Hotmail or even Gmail as their email addresses.

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Some government websites do not even post their trunkline. Afraid na ma-contact lang?

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Wanderlust0227

Ouch, but true.  Can’t blame the guy for the write up.

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costalescat

true…so true. 

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I totally agree with your suggestions, especially that of having unified bus company!!

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I’m not sure, but isn’t the boundary system applied here. I think that’s the reason why it’s so traffic. Buses in S’pore don’t need to wait 10 minutes at a bus stop, cause they’ll still get paid. But if buses here don’t park at every corner and fill the buses to the brim (sometimes more), they won’t be able to feed their brood of 5.

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Nix Macato Reply:

true.

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I’m not sure, but isn’t the boundary system applied here. I think that’s the reason why it’s so traffic. Buses in S’pore don’t need to wait 10 minutes at a bus stop, cause they’ll still get paid. But if buses here don’t park at every corner and fill the buses to the brim (sometimes more), they won’t be able to feed their brood of 5.

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true.

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oneofthesmartoneswhohaveleft

I hate to say it, but he is right.

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